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		<title>By: Jessica &#38; Julie</title>
		<link>http://kingisafink.com/2009/12/film-illusion-and-spectatorship-tie-it-up-with-a-bow-please/comment-page-1/#comment-220</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica &#38; Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 12:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the thoughtful comment, Gabriel.  The puzzle film might deserve a post all to itself.  Films like &lt;em&gt;The Fountain, Memento, Mulholland Drive, Inland Empire, In the Mood for Love&lt;/em&gt;, etc. ask audiences to think from beginning to end.  One thing that is interesting about puzzle films is when they manage to both engage the intellect and the emotions.  Sometimes they are just intellectual exercises, but as you pointed out with &lt;em&gt;The Fountain&lt;/em&gt;, some are able to operate address both the mind and the body (in a sense).  I feel that way about &lt;em&gt;Mulholland Drive&lt;/em&gt; and &lt;em&gt;In the Mood for Love&lt;/em&gt; as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the thoughtful comment, Gabriel.  The puzzle film might deserve a post all to itself.  Films like <em>The Fountain, Memento, Mulholland Drive, Inland Empire, In the Mood for Love</em>, etc. ask audiences to think from beginning to end.  One thing that is interesting about puzzle films is when they manage to both engage the intellect and the emotions.  Sometimes they are just intellectual exercises, but as you pointed out with <em>The Fountain</em>, some are able to operate address both the mind and the body (in a sense).  I feel that way about <em>Mulholland Drive</em> and <em>In the Mood for Love</em> as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Gabriel Novo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gabriel Novo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 02:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like mentioned before, I have no preference for one type of ending over another as long it fits the movie.  What&#039;s a shame is that an appreciation for thought provoking film is being bred out of future movie goers.  Because of that we have studios less willing to take chances and filmmakers willing to experiment not getting the budgets they deserve.  

One example that always comes to mind is Aronofsky&#039;s &quot;The Fountain&quot;.  &lt;I&gt;

Everyone keeps saying the premise of this film is man&#039;s search for immortality, but I felt that it was instead a love letter written with unrestrained emotion and naked honesty.  Slick Hollywood was nowhere to be seen.  Hell, linear story telling was also out the window.  Logic was stretched and weaving three narrative threads (spanish conquistador, present day husband, future spaceman) with no definition of &quot;reality&quot; made this a tough pill to swallow for most audience members.

But I loved it.  I was absolutely engrossed by it.  Analyzing every movement, word, sound, trying to decipher the achingly beautiful puzzle that was playing before my eyes.  My respect for Jackman&#039;s acting ability increase a thousandfold (and I already loved him in &quot;The Prestige&quot;).  The entire film was meant as an experience to be processed and contemplated.  When I was done watching the film (and my brain and heart stopped short circuiting), I flew to the Internet to see what others thought.  I wanted to discuss, dissect and share this incredible experience.

An audience raised on &quot;pretty bow&quot; endings and soundtrack driven emotional cues will never learn the ability to enjoy &quot;The Fountain&quot;.  They had a tough time with &quot;Memento&quot; and even the concept of two movies back-to-back (&quot;Grindhouse&quot;) was more than most could handle.  

I applaud you for working hard to expand the new generation&#039;s horizons.  It gives me a sliver of hope.  Outside of film students (or movie nuts) it&#039;s very hard to discuss tone, theme, structure or any of the juicy parts of a movie with those spoon fed explosions, bullets and boobs.  

Call me selfish, but I not only want thought provoking cinema to continue, I would also like those I can talk to about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like mentioned before, I have no preference for one type of ending over another as long it fits the movie.  What&#8217;s a shame is that an appreciation for thought provoking film is being bred out of future movie goers.  Because of that we have studios less willing to take chances and filmmakers willing to experiment not getting the budgets they deserve.  </p>
<p>One example that always comes to mind is Aronofsky&#8217;s &#8220;The Fountain&#8221;.  <i></p>
<p>Everyone keeps saying the premise of this film is man&#8217;s search for immortality, but I felt that it was instead a love letter written with unrestrained emotion and naked honesty.  Slick Hollywood was nowhere to be seen.  Hell, linear story telling was also out the window.  Logic was stretched and weaving three narrative threads (spanish conquistador, present day husband, future spaceman) with no definition of &#8220;reality&#8221; made this a tough pill to swallow for most audience members.</p>
<p>But I loved it.  I was absolutely engrossed by it.  Analyzing every movement, word, sound, trying to decipher the achingly beautiful puzzle that was playing before my eyes.  My respect for Jackman&#8217;s acting ability increase a thousandfold (and I already loved him in &#8220;The Prestige&#8221;).  The entire film was meant as an experience to be processed and contemplated.  When I was done watching the film (and my brain and heart stopped short circuiting), I flew to the Internet to see what others thought.  I wanted to discuss, dissect and share this incredible experience.</p>
<p>An audience raised on &#8220;pretty bow&#8221; endings and soundtrack driven emotional cues will never learn the ability to enjoy &#8220;The Fountain&#8221;.  They had a tough time with &#8220;Memento&#8221; and even the concept of two movies back-to-back (&#8220;Grindhouse&#8221;) was more than most could handle.  </p>
<p>I applaud you for working hard to expand the new generation&#8217;s horizons.  It gives me a sliver of hope.  Outside of film students (or movie nuts) it&#8217;s very hard to discuss tone, theme, structure or any of the juicy parts of a movie with those spoon fed explosions, bullets and boobs.  </p>
<p>Call me selfish, but I not only want thought provoking cinema to continue, I would also like those I can talk to about it.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Jessica &#38; Julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica &#38; Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comments Phil.  We’re going to have to see this Primer film very soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments Phil.  We’re going to have to see this Primer film very soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Holbrook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Holbrook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 03:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I&#039;m with Tyler on this one. I can&#039;t say I prefer one type of ending to another. However, looking back, some of my favorite movies have an open ending.  Now don&#039;t get me wrong, there have been times when I have said, &quot;that&#039;s it, are you kidding me!&quot;  But I may have to argue that that ending didn&#039;t work then. ; )  There are time when I like being led through the movie and there are other times when I LOVE having to figure my way through it.  One of my favorite examples of this being Primer.  You really have to keep up with the story as it progresses and then you are left with one hell of an open ending.

What a great topic and comments!  I can&#039;t wait to read more. I thought I should comment before I went on to the next one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I&#8217;m with Tyler on this one. I can&#8217;t say I prefer one type of ending to another. However, looking back, some of my favorite movies have an open ending.  Now don&#8217;t get me wrong, there have been times when I have said, &#8220;that&#8217;s it, are you kidding me!&#8221;  But I may have to argue that that ending didn&#8217;t work then. ; )  There are time when I like being led through the movie and there are other times when I LOVE having to figure my way through it.  One of my favorite examples of this being Primer.  You really have to keep up with the story as it progresses and then you are left with one hell of an open ending.</p>
<p>What a great topic and comments!  I can&#8217;t wait to read more. I thought I should comment before I went on to the next one.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica &#38; Julie</title>
		<link>http://kingisafink.com/2009/12/film-illusion-and-spectatorship-tie-it-up-with-a-bow-please/comment-page-1/#comment-187</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica &#38; Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Leontine!  There are definitely things that my kids laugh hysterically at out of habit.  Those things are: swearing at people and beating people.  Many of my students love to see characters &quot;treat&quot; other characters, this can be done through yelling, slapping, or beating.  Basically any action that shows one person exerting power over another.  An interesting exception occurred last year during my independent film unit.  One of the films we watched was &lt;em&gt;Waitress&lt;/em&gt;.  During the scene where Earl slaps Kerri Russell, there was no laughing or inappropriate glee.  They were genuinely mortified.  This happened for one or two reasons.  For one, I spent a lot of time last year talking about how weird I think it is that they love nothing better than to see a good beating/slapping.  I also think that the movie &lt;em&gt;Waitress&lt;/em&gt; makes the main female character extremely likable and empathetic -- they don&#039;t see a lot of movies that do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Leontine!  There are definitely things that my kids laugh hysterically at out of habit.  Those things are: swearing at people and beating people.  Many of my students love to see characters &#8220;treat&#8221; other characters, this can be done through yelling, slapping, or beating.  Basically any action that shows one person exerting power over another.  An interesting exception occurred last year during my independent film unit.  One of the films we watched was <em>Waitress</em>.  During the scene where Earl slaps Kerri Russell, there was no laughing or inappropriate glee.  They were genuinely mortified.  This happened for one or two reasons.  For one, I spent a lot of time last year talking about how weird I think it is that they love nothing better than to see a good beating/slapping.  I also think that the movie <em>Waitress</em> makes the main female character extremely likable and empathetic &#8212; they don&#8217;t see a lot of movies that do that.</p>
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		<title>By: leontine</title>
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		<dc:creator>leontine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was thinking about this blog post and I realized that The Graduate and Let the Right One In had the same ambiguous ending. Hand in hand, towards an uncertain future...that might be my favorite ending of all.  It&#039;s romantic without having a fake-happy ending tacked on, and it achieves what you&#039;re describing: a satisfying conclusion that still gives you something to think and wonder about.  Snow Bunny had that too, by the way.

When I was teaching elementary school, the students would watch terribly bad movies in the cafeteria.  I remember wondering why they would all laugh hysterically at the same time, even when the jokes weren&#039;t remotely funny or surprising.  I suspect they had just become conditioned to respond to certain signifiers of humor--the crotch shot, the fart noise, the spit take.  Do you think that your students respond to certain things in movies out of habit, rather than because they are really enthusiastic about them?  Or even really paying attention?  And how much of their response do you think is just what they think their peers want to hear?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thinking about this blog post and I realized that The Graduate and Let the Right One In had the same ambiguous ending. Hand in hand, towards an uncertain future&#8230;that might be my favorite ending of all.  It&#8217;s romantic without having a fake-happy ending tacked on, and it achieves what you&#8217;re describing: a satisfying conclusion that still gives you something to think and wonder about.  Snow Bunny had that too, by the way.</p>
<p>When I was teaching elementary school, the students would watch terribly bad movies in the cafeteria.  I remember wondering why they would all laugh hysterically at the same time, even when the jokes weren&#8217;t remotely funny or surprising.  I suspect they had just become conditioned to respond to certain signifiers of humor&#8211;the crotch shot, the fart noise, the spit take.  Do you think that your students respond to certain things in movies out of habit, rather than because they are really enthusiastic about them?  Or even really paying attention?  And how much of their response do you think is just what they think their peers want to hear?</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica &#38; Julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica &#38; Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 00:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What’s interesting is that an open-ended ending, if dictated by the story, can actually provide complete closure to the film while provoking further thought for the audience.  That, to me, is a sign of a well-done ending of any kind (to acknowledge Tyler’s point).  A film needs to feel finished in terms of the story that’s been told, but not necessarily in terms of the ideas being explored.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What’s interesting is that an open-ended ending, if dictated by the story, can actually provide complete closure to the film while provoking further thought for the audience.  That, to me, is a sign of a well-done ending of any kind (to acknowledge Tyler’s point).  A film needs to feel finished in terms of the story that’s been told, but not necessarily in terms of the ideas being explored.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica &#38; Julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica &#38; Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 00:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point.</description>
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		<title>By: Tyler Weaver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tyler Weaver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no preference for an open ending or one with a nice bow.  I like endings that work, plain and simple. Open or closed have nothing to do with it in my  book - to me, the best endings are the ones that make me say, &quot;there&#039;s no other way this film could have ended,&quot; and leave a lasting impression.  There&#039;s nothing I loathe more than a bad ending - one either unnecessarily ambiguous, or hastily wrapped up.  A great film leaves an impression, and leaves me thinking about it long after it&#039;s over, be it open, or wrapped up (with a little peek of what&#039;s underneath).

As the wonderful Orson Welles said, &quot;“If you want a happy ending, that depends, of course, on where you stop your story.”&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no preference for an open ending or one with a nice bow.  I like endings that work, plain and simple. Open or closed have nothing to do with it in my  book &#8211; to me, the best endings are the ones that make me say, &#8220;there&#8217;s no other way this film could have ended,&#8221; and leave a lasting impression.  There&#8217;s nothing I loathe more than a bad ending &#8211; one either unnecessarily ambiguous, or hastily wrapped up.  A great film leaves an impression, and leaves me thinking about it long after it&#8217;s over, be it open, or wrapped up (with a little peek of what&#8217;s underneath).</p>
<p>As the wonderful Orson Welles said, &#8220;“If you want a happy ending, that depends, of course, on where you stop your story.”&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Merell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Merell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Open or ambiguous endings are the spice of good movies. The first time I saw Michelangelo Antonioni&#039;s &#039;Blow Up&#039; I was on the edge of my seat, not because it was action packed but because it spoke to me in a philosophical way. Life is open ended and you may think for a moment you have all the answers but a minute later something will come up that will prove you wrong. The endings to most movies are lame because they try to tie it all up and put a bow on it and force feed you the theme(if there even is one). Life is too complex. Try and look further, you will see the irony. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Open or ambiguous endings are the spice of good movies. The first time I saw Michelangelo Antonioni&#8217;s &#8216;Blow Up&#8217; I was on the edge of my seat, not because it was action packed but because it spoke to me in a philosophical way. Life is open ended and you may think for a moment you have all the answers but a minute later something will come up that will prove you wrong. The endings to most movies are lame because they try to tie it all up and put a bow on it and force feed you the theme(if there even is one). Life is too complex. Try and look further, you will see the irony. </p>
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